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thanks for watch, our coverage continues. we'll try to tell you about the murder attacks this morning at two mosques in new zealand. they were shot and killed in the very place for some, the only place they can come once a week to make sense of the world or make peace of themselves. there is not much we know about the victims at this point. we wish we could tell you more of who they were in life. how do we honor them tonight? at the least we are not going to insult their memory by suggesting they died as an isolated individual acting for in comprehensible reason. the man fired shot after shot at hundreds of men and children at prayers targeting them for a clear set of reasons.
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it is inspired by hateful and contagious world view. he did leave stream part of it because we are not showing it because who these people were. the threat he seems to think they posted to the white race. to him a three-year-old immigrant girl was a threat, thatto say also it is random or that it ran from nowhere, that dishonors the facts as we are learning them as it dishonors the lives that were loss. they play up the notion of the white genocide and christian decents are being replaced by others, invaders which sounds similar to the tree of life synagogue killer who wrote this
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about the society. open your eyes, it is the filthy jews bringing the filthy muslims into our country. it would be easier to dismiss him as a moron or an idiot. he's not alone. there is a common threat whether it is there or synagogue or in pittsburgh or two mosques in new zealand. they may take a deranged individual to act it out. this is what these terrorists shed the blood. >> the president did not say the
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word muslim or say the country stands with the muslim community. when asked about the shooter's ideology and white nationalist motivating violence, here is what the president said? >> what do you see of the white national violence threat around the world? >> i don't really, i think it is a small group of people that had serious problems and what happened in new zealand, i don't know enough about it yet. they're learning about the person and the people that's involved. it is a terrible thing, terrible thing. >> a terrible thing he called it but not something he knows enough about yet. that's what he said earlier this afternoon. it is rare that the president decides not to speak out again as he were for something because he does not know enough about it. as a candidate, he did not wait for investigators to weigh in before the terrorist attack in
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san berdandino. there is that and earlier today, senior adviser schlapp says falsely the president -- he called it monsterous terror attack. the president condemned bigotry or racism. according to the most recent figures from the fbi, hate crimes in this country rose 17% in 2017 compares to the year before. and newly released data from the antidefamation lead showing propaganda increasing 182% in this country last year. each new hate crime spreads
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worldwide. some of them including the charleston church shooting as well as attacks on immigrants and italy. president trump does not seem to make the same connections nor see the same pattern that many of these killers openly acknowledged. any conceivable reasons he may have tiptoeing around the subject. you would think he would find a way to acknowledge the faith they died practicing. those remarks you heard as he veto the bill on his border emergency during what he refers to immigrant invaders and criminals murdering americans. the imagery implied threat nearly identical. by contrast just days after this country had been attacked by muslim tear rapirrorist, here i president george w. bush responded at a local mosque in washington. >> women who cover their heads in countries must feel
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comfortable going outside of their homes. moms who wear cover must not be intimidated in america, that's not the america that i know. that's not the america that i value. i have been told that some fear leaves and some don't want to go shopping with their families. some don't want to go back to their daily routines because by wearing cover, they'll be intimidated, that should not and will not stand in america. those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens don't represent the best of america, they represent the worst of human kind. they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior. >> seems like a long time ago of that kind of talk. tonight republicans and democrats have understood of hate crime and how this president compares.
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we'll speak broadly to our experts. first though, how this terrible morning unfolded in christ church. >> reporter: 1:40 p.m. in new zealand in the community of christ church is under attack in the middle of friday prayers. >> the shooting last 10 or 15 minutes at the first mosque. >> he continuously shooting and coming inside slowly because he was killing all the people who were at the entrance. >> reporter: after 2:00 p.m., schools in the area are on locked down. residents are told to stay in doors. >> we hide under the car and when we see the ambulance, we tried to jump the fence. >> reporter: in all the chaos, desperation and determination to
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survive. >> the people were waiting outside. >> reporter: the shooter appears to fire randomly both inside and outside the mosque. before he leaves he shoots a woman on the sidewalk from a distance and moves closer to deliver the fatal shot. >> i was thinking that he must run out of bullets and praying to god. >> reporter: at a second mosque, he saw this young man grabbed the shooter's gun. >> there was this one guy who takes care of the mosque and help us with parking, he pounds at him and grabs his gun but -- >> reporter: grabs the gun from his hand. >> yes. >> reporter: police go into lockdown, by the time it is over, 49 people are dead. dozens including children with gunshot wounds are admitted to
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christ church hospital for treatment. >> injuries ranging from gunshot wounds to the legs and faces and arms. >> reporter: investigators recovered weapons at both locations, plus two explosive devices attached to a vehicle. police arrested the 28-year-old man now charged with murder. two others are arrested for suspected weapon possession. none of them had been on any security watch list. >> we had no agencies having any information about these people. >> reporter: long after the shooting, some inside the mosques are still not answering their phones, leaving many to wonder, are they alive? >> i just stay waiting here just to see if our son arrived but he's not answering his phone.
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cnn, new york. you heard from the survival in the second mosque. i spoke with him by phone this eveni evening, syed. >> i see him shooting right from there he had his gun and he was holding a camera. at that moment as he was stepping inside the mosque, i was told that i did not see that. he pounced from the back and snapped his gun and he panicked and threw his gun and started and people started chasing him and i think they could not handle the guy and by the time -- i had all my friends
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lined in the pool of blood. i was asking him of the wounds but he could not tell me and i came out and i tried to call the ambulance and jumped in before a few minutes before the police came. >> let me ask you, do you know how long the shooting went on for, often it is hard to tell time, you lose a sense of time in a situation like this. did you have any sense of how long he was there targeting people? >> six or seven minutes. >> well, it is now saturday afternoon in christchurch. cnn's alexander fields is there for us. what's the situation there? >> reporter: we saw a hurst crossed through that police tape making its way down the mosque.
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i can't say it enough, we are used to the scene of horror and devastation brought by mass shootings in the united states. they are left in shock by here in new zealand. this is the vigil that started to form here. that sign there which cuts to the heart of it. this is not new zealand. we are seeing officers with semiautomatic weapons who are down the street and security are kept high. that's a holy unfamiliar site in new zealand. how incredibly quiet it has been today. it is hard to imagine it. just 24 hours ago or so, people were reporting they were hearing 10 or 15 minutes of gunshots. you hear nothing right now. i have talked the people who are coming by to leave flowers and pay respects. it is whathard for them top fin words because they have not seen this before. >> there are still dozens of
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people in the hospital the last i heard. >> reporter: yes, there are more than 40 people who are in the hospital, we are waiting to learn a lot more about the people who died inside the two mosques. we know they come from a number of different countries. you heard the prime minister talked about how many of these who chose new zealand to be their home. these were people who embraced this part of the community. i asked a couple of people did you know anyone inside that mosque. one person told me, that's besides the point. they live here and this is their home. another interesting here, anderson, is how many people are bringing their children out here. a lot of these children were in lockdown in their schools. they have never been in situations like this before. i asked them why are they bringing their kids, one parent told me this is a problem that'll be inherited by the next
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generation, he called it a filthy international disease that has reached new zealand. >> alexandra field. thank you very much. joining us earlier was former fbi supervisor special s agent. what was your reaction when you heard of this attack and who was behind this? >> it is a horrific attack. the person behind it will be a white supremacist. this is not the first one against an ethic minority conducted by white supremacist, we have seen that against christians in charleston and jews and pittsburgh.
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this movement has been on the rise not only in the united states but also across democracies. >> it gets me to my next question, the president commented today of all days, he does not see white nationalism as a rising threat around the world, just in terms of numbers, it would seem to tell a different story. >> it is very disappointing that the president said that. if we look at the number, 73.7% of all terrorist attacks in the last ten years were conducted by wheat supremacists and white wing extremists. many are taking this threat as seriously and unfortunately in the united states, i would not take it as a priority. we don't have any legislation to deal with these kinds of domesticated groups. >> you think there should be
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some sort of shift in views and combats, right wing extremists. >> absolutely. the fbi have been doing amazing, great operations and interesting in tackling these guys but you know it is all limited and focused on field office here and there and it is not connected to a national strategy or a federal strategy or priorities by the federal government. we don't see that. i think we need to shift that focus when it comes to the white supremacists. we need to acknowledge its existence and not like the president, you know, just said today. >> you are saying this is a global network of right wing extremists or nationalists communicating what, via online? obviously we think about something like isis as a global ideology that we have seen popped up in many places. you are saying essentially white
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nationalism, white extremists and neo-nazis, that's the same kind of global phenomenon. >> yes, absolutely. they communicate not only on social media but they coordinate with each other. there are travel patterns, for example of people going and visiting groups here in the united states. these are operating in plain sight are taking advantage of political -- they're taking advantage of demagogues and politicians and fanning the flames of hate. >> clearly people who are not supporter of president trump will want to point to his rhetoric as a reason why the u.s. is not focusing on right wing extremist as much as you said should be done.
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>> the rhetoric of president trump is helping to fuel and make this hating group feel more embolden as we have seen in charleston and as we have seen in the manifest of criminals in new zealand. this is dangerous. we need to pay attention to this. i believe the issue of ignoring the threat of white supremacists had been going on for a few decades. i think now t-- >> ali soufan, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll get our report from jim acosta and talk about what the killer himself said about president trump. us as people.
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president trump reached out to the new zealand prime minister today saying the united states stand clear to help. president trump calling it a symbol of renewed white identity and uncommon purpose. jim acosta is at the white house for us tonight. have the white house said anything of the president's reference of this so-called manifesto. >> reporter: the white house's counsel kellyanne conway was asked about it earlier and she urged reporters to read the entire manifesto. she was looking past the language in this manifesto that was describing the president assort of a hero as people identifying with the white heritage. the killer was using terms like invaders and almost the same kind of language the president
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was using when he was vetoing the bill on capitol hill. so the white house, the white nationalism, every time, anderson. >> that's right, and that obviously stood out as being contrary to the facts. as we know from recent studies and fbi statistics the last couple of years, that shows that white nationalism and right wing extremism is on the rise. if you look at what's happening in the world and violence ofs p charlottesville and synagogue shooting in charleston. and the pipe bombs at other democratic targets, that's right wing extremism violence. whether or not the president likes to admit to it or not
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>> jim acosta. kirsten powell and the author of "corrosion conservativism," max boot. >> this is the president who has built his entire political career on racism and bigotry and anti-islamic. he wrote of his crazy birthism theory of barack obama. he says is lalam hates us. it is exactly the same thing. i think there is enough overlap there that they taken inspirations from his words.
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>> it is hard to draw a straight line to what our president has said to blame him if others choose to use his words in ways he's not explicitly saying. today just as he's talking about this and on this day when the new zealand and people around the world mourning and this person in new zealand did this talking about invaders, the president is talking about invaders. >> right. >> certainly they share concerns, right? that's fair enough to say. i don't think you can blame donald trump for this attack. i think you can blame donald trump for really trafficking and bigotry and you know islam phobia and wanting to ban all muslims as he said during the campaign. they have some things in common in terms of how they think about people. that does not make him responsible for this but that does not make him not
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responsible for the things he says. the idea that the president of the united states can say things constantly attacking different groups of people and demon easieasizing them and treating hem them as invaders of the country, i think it would be silly to pretend it does not have any impact on anybody. however donald trump identifies himself, all we know for sure is that the white supremacists see him as an ally. there is no question about that. ro if they heard him quite clearly of what he said, they were energized by him saying by people by both sides. he's not a dummy. he does understand what he's
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doing. he chooses to not stop and condemn them and he chooses not to go out of his way to identify this threat and this country which is a large threat, which is white nationalism. >> and the wake to charlottesville, there is no room for it in america and yet both times he went off script and said fine people on both sides. it was interesting to hear george w. bush to replay what he wrote several days after 9/11 definitively saying the people who would attack somebody wearing a hijab, it is not america, it is the worst of humanity. >> it was a reminder how a normal president is supposed to
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sound and it reminds you of how different donald trump is not a normal president. one of the striking things is that he has a double standard when it comes to acts of violence. when there is any attacks perpetrated around the world by muslims, he's on twitter and screaming about radical. when it comes to something like this, he says oh, it is a terrible thing as if it is a natural disaster. he never says what is that terrible thing which we know it is antimuslim gig tbigotry. he does not call it out. he's tasked to given a license to it. he's not devoting the resources of the federal government. think of how many efforts we make to stop this jihadist terrorism. that's a real threat. we don't have a comparable effort in element to combat
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white supremist terrorism. 70% of the victims of terrorism in the country have been victims of radical right wing terrorism. that's a threat hiding in plain sight which we were in ngnoring. >> the president knows that his words are being used by white nationalists whether it is fair or not. you would think he would want, you know, give a speech and lay it all out, naming names of who does not speak for him and why he find things reprehensible. or at least to make it clear people using his name of racist ideology. >> he's been given opportunities to do this. i remember when the journalist
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was under attack because she wrote a critical piece about melania and she was getting death threats and all these anti-semitic attacks. they were heinous. he was asked about it. he said, "i don't have a message for my fans." so you know he had an opportunity there to condemn it and not only did he not condemn it, he accepted that these people are his fans. so i think that you are right, if he wanted to do that, he would do that. he understands what's going on. this is not -- he's not just some clueless person who does not see what's happening. he's not condemning it the way he condemns all of these other things that he claim to have happening like the national emergency that's not an emergency but he'll talk about pretty much everything that bothers him about this. >> i would say that the way that
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the fbi is taking action here in the u.s. after today's attack in new zealand. the growing memorial has been growing by the hours. joining me now, josh, what are you learning, josh? >> we are learning of the fbi, the fbi is scrubbing its intelligence databases in order to find any u.s. connections to that attack and we are told that the fbi headquarters officials are directing field offices to scrub their case files to go through these systems to determine whether their subjects here in the united states who may pose a threat or fit this mole or kuking soconducting som atta attack. go out and talk to their sources and gather any information that
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may help officials in new zealand and officials here in the united states. we are told they are closely latched up with officials in new zealand. they provide information on a different threat of matrix and documents and files. we'll be sharing information. >> that long manifesto left by the new zealand, the idea is all too devastated despite what president trump is saying. here is our chief international correspondent melissa ward. >> you will not replace us. >> reporter: chants on the streets of charlottesville, virginia, echoed in a manifesto thousands of miles away. >> we'll not be replaced.
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>> reporter: white supremacists and neo-nazis who believed their culture is being erased by a growing population of minorities. they talk about the invasion of muslim migrants who threatened to replace them. one of their greatest inspirations, the norwegian white supremacist who murdered 70 students at a summer camp in 2011. a massacre he says was intended to defend western civilization. across the west, the far right is on the rise bringing with it a vicious uptake in heat crimes and terrorist attacks. >> just in 2017, muslims were targeted and killed in a quebec islamic center. on a train portland oreg, orego
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man shouting and fatally stap g stabbing two people. close the border they shouted resistance, their hatred is not reserved for muslim migrants. this man told us a shadow of globalist controls the world. >> when we talk about the elites and finance, is that another way of saying jewish people? >> yes. >> yes, it is. >> let me say it this way, the banking system for sure he tells us. banks and finance and the economy, mainly jews. in his 87 page manifesto the suspected terrorist praise his predecessor. their ideology of hate creeped out of the margins into the
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mainstream and is growing. >> they call on specific influences of hate from other incidents all around the world. >> that's right. he was definitely very much inspired according to this manifesto by the events in norway back in 2011 of the terrible shooting in south carolina as we talked to as well. what becomes apparent when you are flipping through all 87 pages here is that there is a language that supporters of right wing extremists used to communicate. some of the references to the crusades and to events during the ottoman empire and the internet means and there are corners of the dark web where these ropes are really engaging in lively conversations with each other using often this kind
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of coded language which at its root is hatred and ideology. >>. >> people connect globally who shares these thoughts. clarissa ward, thank you. joining me now, as we talk, we are showing you live images of memorials outside near the mosques where people are coming to pay their respects. what do you believe is behind this growth of far right hate that we are seeing happening globally? >>. >> well, anderson, as one of your previous conversation a ali soufan mentions, this moir error the same processes and the same factors being involved and now being replicated on the far right and the government needs to stop responding to this.
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still remains jihadist terrorism and groups like isis. the fastest growing is now according to our intelligence services of the threat of far right terrorism. >> when you hear some of the claims made in the manifesto that christians and whites are being attacked that muslims are trying to destroy them and these are invaders. it is the same language in some ways like groups like isis like christians and jews invading muslim land and the ideology are very different but the sort of troves are the same. >> absolutely, anderson. when you look at the identity politics involved the victim hood that's voinvolved each gro,
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their identity is being erased and their lands are being invaded. all of the same troops. it is not just the far right and the jihadists. those are the far left as the media have been waking up to rising anti-semitism. the last time i was on your show, the scar was not on my forehead. last month i was attacked in london. i am living with fear around me and it is really important. instead of responding to this sort of incidents with more hate and anger. challenge extremism from any direction that we see it. >> so bearing the fact that that
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you bare a skacar as a result o this kind of hate and when you here president trump questioned the idea that white nationalism is a rising threat around the world, he says he does not believe that it is a small group of people. what do you make of that? >> before president trump was elected, i was on your show and i warned how he would radicalize his supporters because he would be unable to deliver on the ban was not delivered. it is not something you can achieved in the west because we are born and raised in the west. as a result of those promises he made, he would radicalize people to turn into far right radicalism. i bear oare the example of my so demonstrate that's happening around, president trump needs to be careful of his language. i don't think we should silence
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political opponents. how we have them is very important and all of us just as we challenge the language of jihadist and just as president trump used to say that we were unable to name that ideology. he pouring praise to the same problem and the language of his supporters should not be scrutinized. >> is there a way to turn this around? >> i think -- it is sad for me to say this. it is going get worse before it gets better. the violence is increasing and people could not believe that in the middle of, the heart of london, this attack would happen on me. it is something that's going to get worse because of the conditions that are causing it and brexit in the u.k. is dividing our policy. it is not because of brexit, it is because of the way the
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conferrin conversations are happening. copy cat killers, this man himself was inspired by the attacker here in london. i think others unfortunately will look to what he has done and copy him and jihadists will try to respond with false claims. it is unfortunately people need to see how bad it could get before they realize the importance of holding our society together. >> the response is critical. thank you so much. i appreciate it. we have more, just ahead on one of the chilling aspects, we'll not show you the live stream, we don't want to give this person or we are not showing the picture or his name. why does it take so long to pull those videos down? non-drowsy n and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals
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as we mentioned, the attacks in christchurch were live streamed on social media sites around the world. the shooter had a video camera as the assaults took place, as the murders took place. as we spent the hour talking about how to combat the rise in extremism, the question of how social media becomes more important. today is a perfect example. the images of the shooting stayed online for far too long. cristina alesci joins me now. how were social media companies made aware of the postings on their site? >> in this case it was the police, which is shocking. >> that's weird. >> it kind of exposes the problem with these platforms. you know, shortly after the shooting, facebook puts out a statement saying new zealand police alerted us to a video on facebook shortly after the live stream commenced and we removed both the shooter's facebook account and the video. we're also removing any praise or support for the crime and the shooter or shooters as soon as we're aware. look, facebook monitors its
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platform in two ways, through artificial intelligence, which is machines, and through human monitors. on the ai front, facebook executives have been bragging about how good their ai is. they said it could distinguish between broccoli and marijuana. using it as a test case for trafficking and drugs over the internet. so why can't their ai pick up gunshots? that's a great question. turns out, ai may not be that advanced and it may not have enough people on this problem which is why critics are saying that this is still not a priority for facebook. at the root of the problem we can talk about tech all day long but at the root of the problem, facebook's dna is to make content shareable. so if it puts any restraints on that it's fighting with it's own dna and that's what people don't understand about this. >> that's the argument that a lot of these internet folks have been making that for a long time
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but there used to be an argument they made about jihadist videos and finally there's enough pressure and they make an effort to take those down. >> this video, it wasn't just the inability to flag it from the beginning. allegedly the shooter was streaming live for 17 minutes before it was addressed. it's the fact that it kept getting shared. so facebook puts out another statement this afternoon saying it was essentially putting all the copies in a database so that it could automatically flag and eliminate the content. now experts say that's the right way to do it. it's more simple technology and it's more reliable than ai. so again, the criticism is, why isn't facebook doing more? >> right. thank you so much. let's check in with chris and see what he's working on for cuomo "primetime". >> we've seen so many of these situations and the best that can come out of it is that something is made of the opportunity. this is not a secret. this is not the first.
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this is the worst that new zealand has seen in modern history and the irony that it happened in a place called christ church is lost on nobody but the good and evil of the situation is obvious. what are we going to do about it? where is the leadership going to come from? how do the rest of us respond to come together and get past us and them and move toward we. yes the president has a role. yes he has responsibility. we'll be making the case tonight. >> we'll be looking forward to that about 7 minutes from now. the chief rabbi in pittsburgh. the target of another hate filled massacre last fall. he joins me to talk about new zealand. with expedia, i saved when i added a hotel to our flight. so even when she grows up, she'll never outgrow the memory of our adventure. unlock savings when you add select hotels to your existing trip. only with expedia.
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a lot of pictures at christ church new zealand. memorial is growing by the hour as people come to express take outrage and sadness. the mourning and grief and shock of what happened. it's not how rare they were but how common such acts have been elsewhere. hate has gone global. the impact from each terrible incident is so intensely local. it's to local it tears communities apart. that's the horror. the blessing is how it can also bring neighbors together. we saw it far too recently. the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh squirrel hill neighborhood. rabbi jeffrey meyers congregation. >> it was only a few months when we spoke. >> you were trying to deal with the unimaginable tragedy there. when you see another attack at a place of worship, an attack on
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faith, what goes through your mind and your heart? >> well, this morning, you brought me back to october 27th all over again. complete repetition. i think it was george carlin that called it repeating an event that you don't want to have to repeat. it was like it just played the entire day straight through all over again. >> you taught me when we spoke i remember in the hours after the attack that it wasn't the time to be angry, that it with was the time to focus on the victims. i'm wondering how important is that now and how do you not be angry at something like this? >> that's a natural reaction to want to be angry. what do you do with the anger? is there a productive way to channel it? if you channel it toward destructive actions there's nothing productive about anger.
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i'd think it to be a natural response but in the end it doesn't lead to something productive usually. we have to find good things to do with the anger to find positive works to do so that the lives of, in this case, 49 beautiful souls lost are not in vain. >> as someone who has lived through pain like this, which is -- it is -- you know, everybody's tragedy is different and the way everybody experiences grief and pain is different but the pain of -- i've talked to parents that lost children in mass shootings and they talk about the pain of the kind of grief after a mass shooting is different than losing a loved one to a disease or another kind of crime. what is your message to the members of these congregations who are reeling tonight and to their friends and their families and muslims around the world? >> i wish i had words to take
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away their pain. i don't. just as there weren't words to take away the pain of october 27th but i can tell you that the love and uplift of an entire world, i have no doubt will pour into christ church to let all of who suffer there know that they are not alone. there was an entire world holding you up, giving you tight hugs, letting you know that we care and that the actions of one or more individuals does not reflect the type of world that we live in. i don't know what degree that gives comfort but i find that daily, ever since october 27th there's regular daily reminders from strangers far and wide that express this love, that express this comfort to us to let us know that this is on our mind. we need to reach out to not just the muslim community and christ
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church but our muslim neighbors throughout the united states to say to them we understand your pain. we are here for you, we want to make sure that you feel safe and that you can worship in your holy spaces and feel safe. >> rabbi meyers, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> we'll obviously continue to follow this in the coming days. right now i want to hand it over to chris for cuomo "primetime". >> very heavy. very important. thank you for your guidance the past hour. welcome to "primetime." 49 people massacred for being different than their murder and many more before them here at home. the time has come to stop ignoring an obvious problem abroad and here at home. white supremicism is on the rise. the president should know that. the question is what to do about it. we'll get extremely valuable perspective from a muslim leader and former white supremacist.